Foursquare’s Indonesia “problem” isn’t really a problem at all
If you’ve spent much time on foursquare at all, you’ve no doubt noticed that some users play the game a little, well, differently than everyone else. You’ve probably also noticed the vast majority of those users are from Indonesia.
Judging by their foursquare histories, they appear to trot all over the globe, unlocking a badge in Los Angeles one minute and another in London the next. Without some sort of teleportation device, it would be impossible to travel as quickly as they do. Yet, with some digital trickery, they’re able to unlock new badges within minutes of them first becoming active.
This has provoked the ire of many an honest foursquare user, inspiring rants about their cheating ways, a short-lived Posterous blog, and even two Twitter accounts dedicated to stopping them. None of those have slowed them down, and, to our knowledge, foursquare has never sanctioned any of them for their questionable activities.
And why should they? So what if a user has unlocked almost every badge without leaving their couch in Indonesia? Someone who looks at the game a different way doesn’t affect the way I play the game at all. For me, the badges all tell a special story about what I was doing and when I was doing it. My goal is not to collect them all, but to try to earn the ones that mean something to me.
Every user plays the game differently, of course, and there are those honest users who try to unlock as many badges as possible. But even then, is it really a competition? What do you win if you collect more than anyone else?
For businesses who sponsor the badges, there’s no harm in having more users unlock them, if anything the branding value increases as those badges get posted to Twitter and Facebook, whether they were unlocked honestly or not. For contests that are tied to badges, like MTV’s Moonman badge, the rules clearly state that only US residents are eligible for the drawing, so there’s no worry about awarding something like a trip to the VMAs to an Indonesian. Cheating may inflate the checkin statistics slightly for some businesses who monitor their foursquare analytics, but, statistically, the millions of honest players easily trump the several hundred Indonesians intent on checking in just to unlock badges.
In conversations with some of these “cheaters,” (who will not be named) it’s become clear to me that they simply view foursquare differently than most Americans. To them, the badges are a puzzle to solve, similar to a crossword or jigsaw puzzle. In many ways the cryptic clues given by foursquare do make badges difficult to solve.
They tell me their fascination began because mayorships soon became boring and there were few badges that were naturally unlockable in Indonesia, so they thought it would be fun to try unlocking some of the badges that were tied to US venues. The practice has become popular and there are now groups dedicated to helping each other find and unlock the newest badges. They’re even courteous enough to try not to oust people from mayorships in the course of their unlocking, so as not to knock anyone out of earning a mayor special.
In my view, there’s enough room on foursquare for people to play the game many different ways. It’s an individual game without a defined goal, so the way one person plays it makes no difference to the way I play it.
What do you think? Can honest players and “cheaters” co-exist or should foursquare ban them for good?
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While I agree that this doesn’t hurt Foursquare or the brands, I really don’t see the point or motivation behind this for users.
Here’s yet another Twitter account dedicated to rooting out Foursquare cheaters:
http://twitter.com/4squarepolice
I think this is a really great point. To me, FourSquare is not only a travel journal, but it also a way for me to share my favorite places with friends. It’s a way for me to help my favorite shops, restaurants, hell, even my doctor get some promotion! It’s like an electronic charm bracelet of sorts.
As for the “cheaters”, it happens. Kudos to them for being smart enough to figure out a way to unlock NY badges from Indonesia! I am pretty jealous of some of those badges- not only because the badges are cool, but because I am reminded of all the cool places I want to visit!
This is a whole new way to view TRAVEL WRITING and we are all the writers!
Keep up the promotions, the awesome new badges and the competition. It’s all in fun.
1) If it doesn’t matter, why does Foursquare put a limit on the number of checkins you can do in a certain amount of time? And why does the message they give when you hit that limit say they are trying to make it fair?
2) If it doesn’t matter, why bother with the whole idea of checkins or geolocation or badges? Why not just give everyone a badge as a form of advertising?
The thing is, it makes Foursquare look bad. What is the point of having badges based on checking in if you don’t have a check in? It makes a farce out of the entire point of the service.
Honestly, I only check in on Foursquare now to get badges. I find Gowalla to be a much better service and one which, so far, is not as easy to game.
Last.fm has the same problem. People who scrobble music they don’t actually listen to, and they too have realized that it is impossible to monitor and take action on all cheaters.. but the main problem is still there. They pollute the stats. Total number of checkins. Total number of played tracks. Cheat-checkins makes the data unreliable..
How do these Indonesian “cheaters” check in? Do they use the mobile site, or do they fabricate GPS data for the API?
Personally, I find the mobile site to be indispensable when the app is having problems, but if Foursquare ever decided to retire it in order to cut down on cheating, I wouldn’t have a problem with it.
I would assume the mobile site. You can set it to whatever town/state/country you want, and it has no idea! Heck these people might not even be on a phone! I know thats how I used to check in… with my computer, before I got with the smart phone craze
Can you even use the Mobile site to get badges though? The few times I’ve used it I only received points.
+1 to getting rid of the mobile site. It comes in handy sometimes, but it does more harm than good I think.
I’d rather the mobile site stays, if in any case I’m in another country don’t want to incur extra mobile charges to my phone or couldn’t quite find a wifi connection around…
When I travel I use the mobile site so I can keep GPS off as it is a battery suck. That and the android app sometimes has trouble responding
Agreed with the other two to keep the mobile site. It definitely has proved a lifesaver when the Android app does what it wants to do on a regular basis and time out constantly.
I think one of the things that made foursquare popular is their mobile web. You can access it with low-end devices but some of us are misusing it
Don’t blame the users if you have such a weak system
. And, yeah, I’m an Indonesian. I don’t do 4SQ though. Such a time waster.
So ? The point is Indonesian people is smarter than you ? Come on, its just a game, why u do u look so serious ? Its rediculous, xixixixi …………..
I agree with milo..
WE DID THIS BECAUSE FOURSQUARE ALLOW US TO THIS.. It’s just a game, don’t take to serious.. *LMAO
True, it is just a game… but there are rules of the game that are developed for a reason. Do you really enjoy claiming to be places you are half way around the world from?
Hi, I’m an honest Indonesian Foursquare user and I agree with you. These kind of people annoy the hell out of me. It’s really unfair for a lot of people. I agree it’s not a competition, but to me it’s an eyesore (or maybe I’m just very anal and OCD, I don’t know).
I mean it’s one thing to unlock the “Groupie” badge even when you haven’t even obtained Foursquare business cards before because I think that the fact that you went through THAT MUCH trouble (to find out how to unlock it and which cards to click on) makes you enough of a groupie. LOL. But unlocking location-specific badges is just really unfair. I’m waiting until I can afford my next beach vacation (so I can unlock Swimmies) and my next conservation gig (so I can unlock the Great Outdoors) and these people are just sitting around and unlocking them with no effort. It defeats the purpose.
If I were one of Foursquare’s founders, I would be really upset with this and I would find ways to prevent Couch check-ins. I understand Foursquare has already taken preventive measures, but somehow these cheaters have found ways around them.
They may be no harm to Foursquare’s business partners. But these Indonesian cheaters are certainly harming other users. Look what happened to the Toys “R” Us badge (http://aboutfoursquare.com/toys-r-us-badge/): the first 3,000 users to check in on Black Friday were supposed to get 15% discounts. But with Indonesians taking the badge “just for fun” people who could’ve really benefited by this badge (Christmas presents from an unemployed laid-off uncle, anyone?) stood no chance. Same applies to mayorships in venues that offer specials.
Just so you know, these badge/mayorship cheats are not the only way Indonesians are misusing and abusing Foursquare. I’m even planning on writing a list of ways they’re doing it. I also agree with the comments that say this kind of way of using Foursquare devaluates Foursquare.
Just to clarify, the Toys R Us badge wasn’t limited, but the discount was. To get it you had to send a text message to Toys R Us and they’d send a code back. The Indonesian jumpers didn’t cause any problems in that regard.
As far as stopping it, I’m not sure how foursquare can do it. Closing down the mobile site will only slow them down. As long as foursquare has an open API there will be ways to cheat by spoofing GPS, etc. Short of requiring users to scan a code in each venue (ain’t gonna happen) or a Shopkick-style signal (ain’t gonna happen) there’s not much foursquare can do.
thanks
thanks for clarifying. i only took the info i got from here: http://aboutfoursquare.com/toys-r-us-badge/ but yeah after you check the message that comes with the badge it does say “Congratulations on unlocking the Toysâ€Râ€Us Black Friday Badge! First 3000 to text FOURSQBF to 30364 receive 15% Off of Purchases $150 or more on you next visit. GO! Offer valid 11/28-12/2″. STILL, it looks stupid when you know someone’s physically in Jakarta and they check-in at a Toys “R” Us in Michigan.
what i also find really bothersome is Indonesians unlocking the #iVoted badge. they don’t even have voting rights and it’s not legal to have dual-citizenship in Indonesia. even if someone in Indonesian territory had voting rights they’d be voting via mail (which is what i’ve seen happening, unless there’s a voting booth at the embassy). sometimes i like to think that apart from bits and pieces of memories of experience, badges are also a statement. it’s just so pointless when they have that particular badge.
i was thinking of taking down the mobile site and enabling SMS/text messaging check-ins internationally. i know it’s costly if you don’t have a GPS-enabled phone but it’s only fair…
Thank you!! *Hug!Hug!* you’re an insparation! Keep doin what you’re doing and for keeping your stance against cheating in your community.
I live in Oregon in the US and do we get any cool, location-specific badges? Noooooooo. But do you see us cheating? Nope. So I just wanted to say, thank you for what you said and to give you a thumbs up. =D
some Indonesians are just plain ignorant. they don’t value anything and try to justify what they are doing
allow me to participate in the comments. I’m also from Indonesia. I Foursquare users. I occasionally do use the way “certain” to get the Badges, and indeed we in Indonesia is the communities that are not too large but purely assuming that “badge is made to be unlocked whatever it takes” and this is just a game.
although there are a few of the Foursquare users use this way, but we do not ever intend to seek mayorship, stealing mayorship, deliberately “on their ousting from mayorship people” and claim a business venue that does not belong to us. I am 100% sure about that. Because we were in Indonesia is like to be treated by Foursquare like all states in America and other continents, where many badges are pretty scattered.
then, as I have in the comment above I just want to close this comment with the conclusion:
- Foursquare is a very challenging game
- Badges are made to be unlocked whatever it takes
- The Indonesian users do not do any harm to other users from all of the world
- Why so serious?
Yes, I’m enjoying it. Any objection for my statement ? Do I harm u when I play it ( foursquare ) ? Think ’bout it.
You are harming the real users by inflating the presence of rare badges. It’s kinda cool to get a new badge or one of the hard to get ones, but knowing a ton of people have cheated to get the badge takes a little away from the joy of it.
True about the lost “joy”! The sense of achievement and effort. All gone…
I’m from Indonesia, I’m a 4sq user, and umm.. I’m one of the cheaters which spread across the world. That’s what I’ll tell you first. The cheaters are not only came from Indonesia, please don’t say that all Indonesian are cheater. please..
I don’t know if we’re the most, I really apologize about it.
I admit that cheating won’t be allowed in any context. Yes, I was wrong, we’re wrong (the cheaters of course won’t be true). And yes, Chris (FoursquareHelp) is true. We’re harming the honest users. sorry for that
After reading all of your post I think I’ll stop cheating. Because this case will increase the list of bad behavior of Indonesian. :’( And I don’t want it happen. I love my country.
The second is, please don’t judge that all Indonesian are strongwilling or stubborn (I don’t know what you call it, “pigheaded” maybe) because because some people who leave comments on this post. Trust me, if you know us better, you’ll think different.
For my dearest friend from Indonesia, klo mo maen,ud maen aj. g usah nyolot kalo ngmong sm mreka. Kita kan bwa nma ngara,.. ksihan kan ngara kta klo dibilangn tukang boong,sm tkang nyolot smua. Klo gue sih g mao yh dsmain sm kruptor yg tkang boong..ok?
once again, sorry.
Frankly, I never even notice who has the badges and who doesn’t except when one of my friends sends it to Twitter or Facebook. Badges are fun, but they come about so rarely (and I have 33 of them so less rarely than the majority of people) I don’t see the harm. It’s Mayorship cheaters that take away from the game for everyone else since it’s those that are in play for almost every user.
You sure opened a can of something here Chris.
Sure… I’d love to just say they’re doing it wrong and say that they shouldn’t be allowed to play… but that’s not a call for me to make.
And when you consider that we barely have a guideline on what is an is not a venue (Heatpocolypse? Hurricane Earl? Cities? etc) … how can we expect anyone to say these people are doing it wrong? We don’t even know what wrong is!
The funny thing is that even Foursquare only give us vague statement about the jumping thingie.
As you can see in http://support.foursquare.com/entries/211093-what-do-i-do-if-i-see-someone-misusing-foursquare
People will be considered misusing the application if they have a lot of fake check-ins.
How much is a lot? Is one fake check in allowed? Are ten considered a lot?
Then foursquare should create badges to be unlock worldwide. Include in Indonesia. Simple, right?
Let them play, it makes no difference, I live in an area where there isnt anything going on and really no badges to unlock i have to got to LA or SF to really get anything out of foursquare so i feel a bit the same they do
Some great comments here, thanks for initiating the conversation Chris!
We realize we need to provide a clearer set of guidelines and are working on it so stay tuned!
thanks from everyone at foursquare HQ for being such big fans!
I say to each their own and let everyone use foursquare the way they want. It is kind of silly to complain about how many badge someone else has or worry about how they got them.
You can’t make everyone happy I guess.
hahahhaha… it’s really getting serious indeed.
helllo… puhhhleeeaaassseee…. just simple… be a honest and cheater in same way..
like one of my friends… to fulfill his desire about the cute and gorgeous badges.. he made a foursquare account differently.
and he still uses the real 4sq account to share his life and where the place he is visiting right now..
just simple right.. don’t make this cases like a terrorist cases
LMAO ROFL
I’m a cheater and quite open & honest about it. I do it to learn the limits for Foursquare both where a user is concerned, and from a marketing point of view.
I work in marketing and want to better counsel my client, I thus need to know how far you can go with this sytem, how people (all types) use it, why they use it, to best put a marketing program together.
I’ve got over 200 mayorships (and really don’t fight to keep them) and many many badges, but not all. I write a blog in French and English about it letting everything how the system works, what’s good and what’s not so much – for me it’s a learning experience.
Now see Samuel… thats the problem we have. So what if you figured out how to unlock a boadge. Awesome! it helps me figure out how to do it! But its the mayorships that aggravates people. How can you steal a mayorship from people who are legitamately going to these places and then you’re here illegally stealing them, especially with all the mayor specials going on… THAT is the problem people have with this… not the badges, but the mayorship stealing….
Just my 2 cents
“Why so serious” hahaha… Who cares. I love my 4sq. Some look at it as a game, others as a travel diary and something to compete with friends over. I only have badges I’ve earned. And I love fighting for Mayorships! It’s like every other day I lose one, gain one. It’s fun..
Here in the US, we play “fair,” and as long as we continue to do so then I don’t see the harm in letting the foreigners cheat their way to victory. It’s nothing new. If having a page full of badges (that represent places you’ve never been) helps you sleep at night, well then… sweet dreams my friends.
no need for API or complicated cheat to solve the 4sq puzzle, as for Farmville for ex (charles, fiddler, etc…).
it’s very easy and i think the system is very weak.
but i can’t understand why is so vulnerable.
Why are u taking seriously about cheaters???
nok..nok…nok…hellooo…halloo…
All the game in the world even on-line game had a cheat code and cheaters, didn’t you see that at all???
4sq is the game or not???? just another application????
Be wisely, if you don’t like the game because of many cheaters in that game (for example: on-line game), plz feel free not to play anymore.
If you don’t mind with that, let’s continue on playing.
JUST SIMPLE for me like that
Anyway, if you want have some pretty cool badges that’s only available in spesific Country/State, do you really going out take travelling to that Country/State to the spot and make some check-ins till you get those badges???
SUPER
If you do so, wwwhhhhoooooaaaahhhhh you’re the richie richman
Different way, different people, different purpose, people plays this 4sq
IT’S JUST A GAME and you won’t playing this for the rest of your life, RIGHT????
At the end, ENJOY THE GAME n have FUN, Happy Gaming!!!!! PEACE MANNN.
Hi, I’m a 4sq user & I’m indonesian. Fyi, not all indonesian are cheaters. I play fair, I unlocked the badges by checking in the venue. But the badges, makes me addicted & triggered me to do some activities for earn them. Its change my life, coz I can do some positive activities. Thx 4sq, keep ur good work. But unfortunately there’s only a few badge available can be unlock in indonesia which so common. Example : LV badge only available in London. Infact, there’s a lot a LV boutique in indonesia so can u make it available worldwide? Or maybe u can make those badges more common. In some events u can make a new one in indonesia (like october fest held in germany) well done for barista & apple for available worldwide. Can’t wait for ur more improvement with new badges! I’m totally agree with ouijaboard comment (posted on sept 10, 2010) above. Simple & fair coz this is a worldwide game, so why only some users can enjoy it in certain cities? Make it global pls…
Maybe all of u can help with ur brilliant ideas for 4sq to create new badges such as example : banker badge (5x checkin at banks available worldwide), fish badge (by visiting seaworld or aquarium markets available worldwide), dancefloor badges (by visiting clubs), without following some sponsors (like specific location on zagat) coz considering the common badge less creative rather than the events or sponsored badges. The retired badges also a lot more rather than available badges.
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yes it is !!
Can you imagine that from hundreds of badges,less than 30 badges can actualy unlock in indonesia as well as many country outside US. Sad isn’t it?
So what happen after we unlock all those 30′s ? do we have to stop? or just continue playing the game without any new badges? cmon, it will not be fun anymore…..
Badges is the main reason people playing this game, without it…. simply nothing… just use twitter for shouting where u are
Well, foursquare is great game, and we like it a lot…the only thing that can stop people from cheating is by creating new badges all over the world, not only in US. This game was developed for worldwide use wasn’t it ???? hehehe
Well of course i have to agree for not cheating on 4sq if i live in US coz theres so many badges i can really unlock there… anyway try to imagine if you live outside US after you got all your 30 badges……and just seeing others got plenty of them…hahahaha ironic :p
In reality, those us of outside New York only get a few more than those outside the US. With the exception of a few badges available in Chicago, LA, and San Francisco, foursquare treats the rest of the US like we’re another country.
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this is a great business opportunity for 4sq if they notice, which i bet they do! that is why they keep quite about 4sq jumper from indonesia. I tell you why… do you know that blackberry growth in indonesia year-on-year is around 500%. with its population about 240 million, its a huge market for smartphone. do you know that the 2nd country with most facebook user is indonesia? infact indonesia just took over 2nd place from UK about a month a go. 1st place is US of course. imagine if 4sq can follow facebook huh…
other fact: the first 2 ever event to get super swarm is from indonesia. http://aboutfoursquare.com/super-swarms/
hey Naveen/Dennis… wake up man! don’t let yahoo with its Koprol (indonesian version of 4sq just bought by yahoo) took over!
4sq newbies will definitely go after mayorship but after a while it’s no fun anymore. but hey look… nice & shiny badges! lets go get them!! oh sh*t… not many available in indonesia. then some user start to jump to new york to get them. the other start to follow suit.
i love 4sq badges! i am crazy about them. very challenging to get them. i already have 45 badges (i got 2 new while writing this comment hehehe….)
so please add more available badges worldwide!!
PS: i am indonesian and not trying to justify nor apologizing for being a 4sq jumper.
I played that “cheat” too, but I’m a little bit clean. Me and my friends trading accounts, if he/she on SF or NY, I told her/him to check-in with my account. So on and on. Hehee
recently I unlock the halloween, super duper swarm and epic in indonesia… nearly I’ve got all the badges available in Indonesia, so i just play the game and try to keep inform about available 4sq badges in indonesia…., in that time I use koprol and gowalla around, but still try to have fun to unlock 4 sq badges whatever it takes
Let’s the game begin tho.. Ima looking for fun and entertaining reasons, with, who, what, where, when, why its notta big deal, the big deal is if were just talking and judges others then we lost a time to use the crazy awesome 4sq.. Let’s check-in let’s earn some badges, what all this things all about? Fun and have a great time with 4sq before u’ll goin crazy to face the reality of life, come on tho we are friends no matter you from states or indonesia or mars or moon or whatever were friends!! Let’s help each other.. Our true enemy’s are demon and Alien. We can through this.
come kiss and hug xoxo Ps: everyone cool especially 4sq, keep rocks broo!!
want to make indonesian not harming the real users????
make the badges that can be unlock in each country where 4sq can be play, including in my country, INDONESIA…!!!!!
Gitu aja ko repot…. (if u dont understand, it means “It’s not a big deal man…)
To all of the Indonesian, jumpers and other cheaters on Foursquare, there is a lot you’re not understanding about this social networking application. It’s not just a “GAME.” Yes, there is a gaming aspect to it. But it is not just a game. It’s called “Social Networking” for a reason. The badges are meant to in a way virtually reward people. Their social lives, interacting with friends in REAL social environments, giving tips to places they have ACTUALLY BEEN TO, etc. In some ways, the badges can represent the people who have earned them.
Examples:
Do you love Brooklyn as much as people who LIVE in Brooklyn or go there often? No.
Are you really going to the gym as much as some REAL gym rats are going? No.
Did you run the NYC Marathon or support it’s participants? No.
Honestly, do you even like Pee Wee Herman? No.
Did you actually go to NYC Comic-con because you love comics and anime? No.
How about Thanksgiving? Do you even know what that means here in the United States? No.
CHEATERS are DEVALUING the badges and the whole aspect of geo-social networking.
It’s even worse when you steal Mayorships because some of us are actually GOING to these places often. You’re not. You’re also taking away business from companies that have partnered with foursquare.
Sure, Indonesia doesn’t have that many badges available compared to the United States and primarily New York (now with other cities coming along). But if you guys really think you’re “creative” why don’t you start working with your local companies to partner with foursquare and create their own specialized badges. Realize that foursquare is also just about a year old and that it can take some time. But considering all of you ban together like a flock on facebook, twitter and now foursquare I am sure you can think of something. It’s quite ignorant to think you can all ban together and pretend this is just a “game.” It’s quite annoying to us REAL users.
And by the way… your cheating? It’s not a “trick” or being “creative.” A lot of the users are also pretty web savvy. But we don’t like cheating.
If you want to just play a “game” why don’t you play a game on the PS3 or XBOX360 or Wii. Or some other flash games on your phone. Get on the computer or go to the Internet Cafe and play games there.
Stop devaluing foursquare.
You are making a lot of REAL users want to stop using foursquare. In the end, you will just end up hurting the company as well.
Simple don’t make worldwide this apps, so you enjoy the social network in USA, play w/ your own community. Access closed to outside state, agree?? LOL
Thank you so much for the support. *hugs*
It’s been pretty tough raising awareness about how cheating hurts Foursquare: http://mia1984.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/on-empatkotak-foursquare/. It’s frustrating because they refuse to acknowledge how their cheating is harming Foursquare and Indonesia’s reputation.
Take care.
At the end of the day, how do you all cheaters cheat anyway?
As mentioned before, it appears that you cannot unlock badges from 4sq’s mobile website, as I just tried to figure it out today. So how?
Although I don’t wanna take part in the debate, I’d really love for everyone to keep it fair, as I’m struggling to get these damn badges over here, in Paris…